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m_elle...подумала, что единственное, на самом деле, почему бы мне и правда хотелось, чтоб выиграл Трамп, так это посмотреть на левый баттхерт. Очень уж забавно они все боятся, прямо до истерики.
А так-то конечно биржа упадет на некоторе время, а это в короткосрочной перспективе не то, чего бы мне прямо сейчас хотелось. Потом, правда, обратно поднимется, но это уже в долгосрочной.
Вообще всё это крайне поучительно; значит картина такая - на Клинтониху со всех сторон сыпется компромат, просто живого места уже не осталось, так измордовали, а демократы зажмурились, заткнули уши, мотают головой и топают ногами - нет-нет-нет, ничего не знаем, ничему не верим, только не Трамп, только не Трамп, ааа! То есть, на самом деле, их никого не интересуют никакие разоблачения по ее поводу, хоть бы даже нашли неопровержимые доказательства, что она живых детей ест на завтрак - ну и что, что он подлец, зато это НАШ подлец. На Трампа же на удивление ничего серьезного не могут накопать, как ни стараются - всё рассыпается моментально. И это на самом деле самое поразительное, ну не может же быть, чтобы на него и правда ничего не было? А может, и не стараются вовсе, а только делают вид? Не, не понимаю.
Кстати насчет разоблачений - кто-то в фейсбучеке не поленился и собрал полный список всех ее предполагаемых жертв. Нет, ну конечно это всё просто совпадения, и ничего такого, но вот как-то так немало совпадений получается.
Clinton's accomplishments:
1 - James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former WH intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the WH.
3 - Vince Foster - Former WH councilor, and colleague of Hillary at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. He was going to testify against the Clintons.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman who had a serious disagreement with Clinton. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
5 - C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser - Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - DNC Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992 after a serious disagreement with Clinton. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor."
7- Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day after his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Tx & Ark. Although the book was seen by several persons, it disappeared.
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He had ties to Whitewater.
11- Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Ark Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Ark State Trooper & fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee. There were no powder burns.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Ark AG. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident. She told a friend that Clinton made advances.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Ark Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation. Before his death, he claimed to have found a shattering story involving Clinton.
18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Wash DC apartment. Had delivered a shocking report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death.
19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Va apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.
20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Dept of Commerce.
21- Charles Meissner - Asst Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash. The plane had been tampered with.
22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee, died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Again, tampering with the plane. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.
23 - Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
24 - Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole. Apparently he was dead before the car hit the pole.
25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney & Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded. This happen two days after an argument with Clinton.
27 - Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Ark airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
The following persons had infoon the Ives/Henry Case:
28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle apparently slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988. No one saw the accident & the bike was not damaged.
29 - Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
33 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes."
34 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
The following Clinton body guards are dead:
36 - Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37 - Captain Scott J. Reynolds
38 - Sgt. Brian Hanley
39 - Sgt. Tim Sabel
40 - Major General William Robertson
41 - Col. William Densberger
42 - Col. Robert Kelly
43 - Spec. Gary Rhodes
44 - Steve Willis
45 - Robert Williams
46 - Conway LeBleu
47 - Todd McKeehan
All had said to friends that they had seen too much.
48 - J. Christopher Stevens - U.S. Ambassador to Lybia
49 - Sean Smith - U.S. Foreign Service Information Management Officer
50 - Tyrone S. Woods - CIA contractors
51 - Glen Doherty - CIA contractors
52 - Berta Cáceres - Honduran indigenous rights & environmental activist & mother of 4. She was shot 4 times while in bed, at 1am on 2 Mar, 2016.
А так-то конечно биржа упадет на некоторе время, а это в короткосрочной перспективе не то, чего бы мне прямо сейчас хотелось. Потом, правда, обратно поднимется, но это уже в долгосрочной.
Вообще всё это крайне поучительно; значит картина такая - на Клинтониху со всех сторон сыпется компромат, просто живого места уже не осталось, так измордовали, а демократы зажмурились, заткнули уши, мотают головой и топают ногами - нет-нет-нет, ничего не знаем, ничему не верим, только не Трамп, только не Трамп, ааа! То есть, на самом деле, их никого не интересуют никакие разоблачения по ее поводу, хоть бы даже нашли неопровержимые доказательства, что она живых детей ест на завтрак - ну и что, что он подлец, зато это НАШ подлец. На Трампа же на удивление ничего серьезного не могут накопать, как ни стараются - всё рассыпается моментально. И это на самом деле самое поразительное, ну не может же быть, чтобы на него и правда ничего не было? А может, и не стараются вовсе, а только делают вид? Не, не понимаю.
Кстати насчет разоблачений - кто-то в фейсбучеке не поленился и собрал полный список всех ее предполагаемых жертв. Нет, ну конечно это всё просто совпадения, и ничего такого, но вот как-то так немало совпадений получается.
Clinton's accomplishments:
1 - James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former WH intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the WH.
3 - Vince Foster - Former WH councilor, and colleague of Hillary at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. He was going to testify against the Clintons.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman who had a serious disagreement with Clinton. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
5 - C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser - Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - DNC Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992 after a serious disagreement with Clinton. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor."
7- Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day after his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Tx & Ark. Although the book was seen by several persons, it disappeared.
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He had ties to Whitewater.
11- Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Ark Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Ark State Trooper & fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee. There were no powder burns.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Ark AG. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident. She told a friend that Clinton made advances.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Ark Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation. Before his death, he claimed to have found a shattering story involving Clinton.
18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Wash DC apartment. Had delivered a shocking report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death.
19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Va apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.
20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Dept of Commerce.
21- Charles Meissner - Asst Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash. The plane had been tampered with.
22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee, died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Again, tampering with the plane. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.
23 - Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
24 - Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole. Apparently he was dead before the car hit the pole.
25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney & Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded. This happen two days after an argument with Clinton.
27 - Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Ark airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
The following persons had infoon the Ives/Henry Case:
28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle apparently slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988. No one saw the accident & the bike was not damaged.
29 - Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
33 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes."
34 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
The following Clinton body guards are dead:
36 - Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37 - Captain Scott J. Reynolds
38 - Sgt. Brian Hanley
39 - Sgt. Tim Sabel
40 - Major General William Robertson
41 - Col. William Densberger
42 - Col. Robert Kelly
43 - Spec. Gary Rhodes
44 - Steve Willis
45 - Robert Williams
46 - Conway LeBleu
47 - Todd McKeehan
All had said to friends that they had seen too much.
48 - J. Christopher Stevens - U.S. Ambassador to Lybia
49 - Sean Smith - U.S. Foreign Service Information Management Officer
50 - Tyrone S. Woods - CIA contractors
51 - Glen Doherty - CIA contractors
52 - Berta Cáceres - Honduran indigenous rights & environmental activist & mother of 4. She was shot 4 times while in bed, at 1am on 2 Mar, 2016.
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Date: 2016-11-05 01:15 pm (UTC)мне отвратительны оба кандидата, он больше - чисто по эстетическим соображениям, такой новый русский со всеми вытекающими, она своей продажностью очевидна, что на самом деле не так плохо - политик и должен быть продажен, у него работа такая - Тайлеран, вон, продажный был дай-то Боже, а много важного для Франции сделал - но то, о чем вы говорите, это откровенная уголовщина - я не утверждаю, что это неправда; я даже не утверждаю, что я не верю - я никогдя особенно к их скандалам не прислушивалась, но здесь как-то сильно такая тяжелая артиллерия. Ну не может же быть совсем недоказуемо.
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Date: 2016-11-05 02:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-11-05 02:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-11-05 04:15 pm (UTC)я всегда скептически относилась ко всяким там теориям об НЛП и прочей такой фигне, про которую в научной фантастике любят писать и желтых газетах
но вот наблюдаю -- такое чувство, что правда, кнопка где-то вшита, и в нужный момент ее нажимают
"трамп -- это гитлер, я видела его выступление на митинге" -- пишет, например, человек из австралии
а потом еще дает ценные методические советы, как отличать пропаганду от истины
я тут попыталась в нескольких местах вступать в споры с этими людьми -- фигово получилось, они вообще не слушают никаких аргументов
даже Мальгин вляпался в это дело, хотя казалось бы :-7
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Date: 2016-11-05 05:35 pm (UTC)Когда-то в одной очень еврейской семье, мне рассказывали, что Обама, конечно хороший - "он интеллигентный человек и прекрасный оратор". На мое возражение, что в истории уже был один интеллигентный человек, прекрасный оратор, да еще и неплохой художник и герой войны - возмущенно объясняли, что это совсем другое, и как я смею вообще!
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Date: 2016-11-06 01:50 am (UTC)http://nypost.com/2016/08/10/julian-assange-suggests-dnc-staffer-was-shot-dead-for-being-a-source/
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Date: 2016-11-06 03:44 am (UTC)появилась всюду примерно через полчаса после объявления, что на вайнеровском компе нашли компромат на клинтониху
это здесь как бы общее место, что народ их ее окружения мрет как мухи при загадочных обстоятельствах, которые никто никогда не пытался толком расследовать
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Date: 2016-11-06 03:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-11-06 04:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-11-06 08:21 am (UTC)А простая мысль никому в голову так и не пришла.
Если не уверен, что есть правда, что есть ложь, действуй так как выгодно тебе. Не надо думать о всеобщем благе. Думай о себе.
Выгодна всеобщая эмиграция- голосуй за Клинтон, не выгодна- голосуй за Трампа.
Хочешь бомбежек Сирии- Килари. Не хочешь, чтобы у твоего сына появился хороший шанс быть призванным в армию- тогда за Трампа.
И так по каждому пункту заявленной программы кандидатов.
А потом для проверки, просто прикинуть расклад с учетом того, а вдруг все правда, что пишут газеты. И опять спроси себя :
"Какое мне дело до баб, которых когда то трогал Трамп? Да плевать на них".
А вот с Клинтон уже не поплюешься.
Если продолжательница дел Обамы на самом деле так коррумпирована, то Трамп гарантирует , что у Америки есть еще 4 года на то, чтобы собраться и найти нужного кандидата (наиболее щепетильных в расчет не берем, им нужен Ангел, а они у нас не водятся). Так что даже если обещания Трампа окажутся словами и никакой борьбы с элитой не планируется, никто не проиграет. Новому человеку в системе за 4 года прочных связей не построить.
Если же, как тут вещают некоторые любители теории заговора, все подстроено, то вообще, никто ничего не теряет. Что Трамп, что Клинтон одним миром мазаны. Только у Килари со здоровьем хуже и проблемы с хранением секретов.
Прагматичный реднек.
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Date: 2016-11-06 03:43 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2016-11-08 12:18 pm (UTC)А что касается затыкания рта родственникам и излишне любопытным журналистам - так в Штатах есть хорошо отработанный механизм, называется conspiracy theories. Как только кто-то начинает гнать не в ту сторону, куда надо бы, его тут же объявляют конспирологом, и закидывают шапками - как раз в нынешней предвыбороной кампании мы наблюдаем примеры просто-таки ежедневно.